On Feb 8, 3:34=A0pm, "B0N0Z" <B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Friday, February 08, 2008 at 12:53pm
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> Green believer Ceridwen Spark has a nagging worry about Tim Flannery's
> plan to pay Third-Worlders to keep their forests free of the kind of
> development that has made us rich:
>
> And yet, as pure as Flannery's politics and motivations seem to be,
> there remains a troubling imperialism about the idea that we in the
> First World can continue behaving like the self-serving Once-ler in The
> Lorax while urging others to stay pure on our behalf - especially when
> these others already see themselves as "have-nots" marginalised by
> global economic forces.
>
> I've worried myself about eco-imperialists.
>
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>
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On Feb 8, 3:34 pm, "B0N0Z" <B0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Friday, February 08, 2008 at 12:53pm
>
> Green believer Ceridwen Spark has a nagging worry about Tim Flannery's
> plan to pay Third-Worlders to keep their forests free of the kind of
> development that has made us rich:
>
> And yet, as pure as Flannery's politics and motivations seem to be,
> there remains a troubling imperialism about the idea that we in the
> First World can continue behaving like the self-serving Once-ler in The
> Lorax while urging others to stay pure on our behalf - especially when
> these others already see themselves as "have-nots" marginalised by
> global economic forces.
>
This chap must think his readers came down in the last shower. The
first world buys manufactured products from these people at knock down
prices based on slave labour wages and conditions. Perhaps I missed it
but I've never heard "Ceridwen Spark" comment on that. The first world
buys their cash crop agricultural products on just the same basis,
sometimes forcing them to run the gamut of tariff and non-tariff
barriers as well.
How precisely, is the concept of the first world paying third worlders
a fair price to care for the forests upon their lands less ethically
defencible than paying them a pittance to do things that invite
compromising these forests -- such as cattle ranching in Brazil to
meet demands for meat?
The desperation with which you deniers trot out this specious bumpf is
telling.
Far from being ethically doubtful, this is *equitable*. The health of
forests are of interest to all of humanity, and it is right that *all*
of humanity should bear the burden of sustaining them rather than
imposing this burden unfairly on those who live on far less than we
would accept. The health of forests is also of particular interest to
those living near them and so assistance from the rest of the world,
based on wealth, amounts to cost-efficient aid to those in need.
If "Ceridwen Spark" is *really* concerned about equity (rather than
simply taking a cynical shot at climate mitigation strategies on
behalf of the global polluters lobby) let her/him advocate a robust
price for the carbon locked up in these forests and an equally robust
maintenance and accounting plan to ensure they get every cent coming
to them. Let her/him advocate protecting forests here in the first
world too and every other place that forests, grasslands or such need
protecting.
> I've worried myself about eco-imperialists.
>
No. Typical fossil fool club ****ll that he is, Blot's worried that
actual imperialists will have their freedom to pollute constrained by
cost.
Fran
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