Re: The CO2 Effect Is Tiny

Earl Evleth <evleth@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  wrote:

>On 30/04/08 10:57, in article
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"chemist"
><tom-bolger@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> CO2 is physically incapable of
>> "greenhouse gas " activity.
>
>
>Without it the earth would be a ball of ice.

      Can you post a link that tells how the nitrogen and oxygen
atmosphere would cool with no GHGs (including and especially water
va****)?

      The fact that the day and night on Earth are 28 times shorter 
than on the moon means that the temperature would not be as great 
without any atmosphere at all.
      The fact that there is a rather massive atmosphere means 
some considerable buffering would exist because of the atmosphere.
      The fact that there is atmospheric pressure means that thermal
transfer must occur in a more predictable and  regular way.
      The fact that the ground would get hot in daytime and transfer
thermal energy to the air means the air would be warmer than the
average temperature of what the Earth would be without an atmosphere.
      The fact that N2 radiates and absorbs IR an extremely small amount,
and O2 radiates and absorbs IR very little, has to mean the air would
warm considerably over time.

      I challenge anybody to offer rational physics that says the
Earth would have a mean temperature of below zero C over all latitudes.

      I challenge you, I challenge anybody.

      Please stop repeating these outhouse rumors about the role of
GreenHouse Gases holding temperatures up higher than they would be
without GHGs.
      Clouds are not GHGs, so water droplet clouds must be included
in any calculation relating to GHGs.    Clouds do prevent radiation
to space.
      The surface of Earth would vary considerably without any clouds
or GHGs because surface radiation to space is very effective, but the
air would not cool at all without GHGs.

      This would seem to be science that is totally missing from the
delusions about nature held by liberals and world socialists, they 
jumped on an incomplete scientific premise.