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Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This

by "0BZN0" <0BZN0@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 03:26 PM

"Scientists" desperately rejig their useless climate models to follow 
unexpected climate!

Does anyone see the hilarity in this?

Make predictions and then adjust if not correct!

Geeeez I could do better and without a computer !

ROTFLMAO







Global Warming May Stop, Scientists Predict

Charles Clover, Environment Editor

30 Apr 2008



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml



Global warming will stop until at least 2015 because of natural 
variations in the climate, scientists have said.



The study predicts the IPCC's 0.3ºC temperature rise for the next decade 
may not happen

The average temperature of the sea around Europe and North America is 
expected to cool slightly over the decade while the tropical Pacific 
remains unchanged.



This would mean that the 0.3°C global average temperature rise which has 
been predicted for the next decade by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel 
on Climate Change may not happen, according to the paper published in 
the scientific journal Nature.



However, the effect of rising fossil fuel emissions will mean that 
warming will accelerate again after 2015 when natural trends in the 
oceans veer back towards warming, according to the computer model.



Noel Keenlyside of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, Kiel, 
Germany, said: "The IPCC would predict a 0.3°C warming over the next 
decade. Our prediction is that there will be no warming until 2015 but 
it will pick up after that."



He stressed that the results were just the initial findings from a new 
computer model of how the oceans behave over decades and it would be 
wholly misleading to infer that global warming, in the sense of the 
enhanced greenhouse effect from increased carbon emissions, had gone 
away.



The IPCC currently does not include in its models actual records of such 
events as the strength of the Gulf Stream and the El Nino cyclical 
warming event in the Pacific, which are known to have been behind the 
warmest year ever recorded in 1998.



Today's paper in Nature tries to simulate the variability of these 
events and longer cycles, such as the giant ocean "conveyor belt" known 
as the meridional overturning circulation (MOC), which brings warm water 
north into the North East Atlantic.



This has a 70 to 80-year cycle and when the circulation is strong, it 
creates warmer temperatures in Europe. When it is weak, as it will be 
over the next decade, temperatures fall. Scientists think that 
variations of this kind could partly explain the cooling of global 
average temperatures between the 1940s and 1970s after which 
temperatures rose again.



Global warming forecast predicts rise in 2014

Writing in Nature, the scientists said: "Our results suggest that global 
surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural 
climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific 
tem****arily offset the projected anthropogenic [manmade] warming."



The study shows a more pronounced weakening effect than the Met Office's 
Hadley Centre, which last year predicted that global warming would slow 
until 2009 and pick up after that, with half the years after 2009 being 
warmer than the warmest year on record, 1998.



Commenting on the new study, Richard Wood of the Hadley Centre said the 
model suggested the weakening of the MOC would have a cooling effect 
around the North Atlantic.



"Such a cooling could tem****arily offset the longer-term warming trend 
from increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.



"That emphasises once again the need to consider climate variability and 
climate change together when making predictions over timescales of 
decades."



But he said the use of just sea surface temperatures might not 
accurately reflect the state of the MOC, which was several miles deep 
and dependent on factors besides temperatures, such as salt content, 
which were included in the Met Office Hadley Centre model.



If the model could accurately forecast other variables besides 
temperature, such as rainfall, it would be increasingly useful, but 
climate predictions for a decade ahead would always be to some extent 
uncertain, he added.




Oh, and a disclaimer is appropriate ....





  Disclaimer

  The projections are based on results from computer models that involve

simplifications of real physical processes that are not fully 
understood.

Accordingly, no responsibility will be accepted by CSIRO for the 
accuracy of

the projections inferred from this brochure or for any person's

interpretations, deductions, conclusions or actions in reliance on this

information.



And further:

  Climate model responses are most uncertain in how they represent 
feedback

effects, particularly those dealing with changes to cloud regimes,

biological effects and ocean-atmosphere interactions. The coarse spatial

resolution of climate models also remains a limitation on their ability 
to

simulate the details of regional climate change. Future climate change 
will

also be influenced by other, largely unpredictable, factors such as 
changes

in solar radiation, volcanic eruptions and chaotic variations within the

climate system itself. Rapid climate change, or a step-like climate 
response

to the enhanced greenhouse effect, is possible but its likelihood cannot 
be

defined. Because changes outside the ranges given here cannot be ruled 
out,

these projections should be considered with caution






Warmest Regards

Bonzo


"There is no compelling evidence that carbon dioxide has any significant 
control over the direction of global temperature and climate. The 
processes that regulate the interannual to decadal fluctuations of 
climate are poorly understood and, as yet, unpredictable" William 
Kininmonth, Meteorologist, Former Head, National Climate Centre, Bureau 
of Meteorology, 1986-1998
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This
"0BZN0" <0BZ  2008-05-01 15:26:49 
Re: Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This
"Ouroboros_Rex"  2008-05-01 09:45:53 
Re: Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This
"Anarchore" <  2008-05-03 00:27:58 
Re: Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This
"V-for-Vendicar"  2008-05-03 21:07:57 
Re: Surprise, Surprise The Climate Models Didn't Predict This
"V-for-Vendicar"  2008-05-03 21:06:55 

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