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> "Fran" <Fran.Beta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 6, 11:53 pm, Tunderbar <tdcom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On May 6, 1:05 am, Fran <Fran.B...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> You sound like a denier. The temps have been steady or gone down
>> since
>> 1998. Even the IPCC's Pachauri admits it
> I've tried to find the text of this 'admission' but apart from the
> right wing blog sites recirculating the claim, I can find no precise
> in context quote.
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> [sigh] So many errors and plain scaremongering on your part Fran,
> baby!
>
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> What you at denier central have to explain (but can't) is why the
> Earth has warmed for most of the last 90 years, if it's not GHG-
> forced.
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>
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> It's NATURAL VARIABILITY driven by the sun, Fran baby!
>
>
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> You also have to explain what the costs of this trend for
> humans is likely to be, and how you'd respond. You should also explain
> what you'd like to do about increasing ocean acidity,
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>
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> Let's put this "ocean acidity" garbage into context for a scientific
> illiterate,
> or at least an agenda-driven socialist who pretends to be
> scientifically illiterate, like you ...
>
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWJlODMxYmUzYWNmZGZiM2NhNmExYTYyNDUzYmViZjQ=&w=MQ==
> QUOTE: "While it is claimed that this makes the water more acidic,
> this
>
> is misleading. Since seawater has a pH around 8.1, it will take an
> awful
>
> lot of CO2 it to even make the water neutral (pH=7), let alone acidic
>
> (pH less than 7)."
>
> Did you read that?
> Water is on the alkaline side of the pH scale!
> It would take an ABSOLUTELY GINORMOUS amount of CO2 for water to even
> reach neutral (pH 7).
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> retreating glaciers,
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>
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> Retreating glaciers have absolutely nothing to do with your phony AGW!
>
> Using maps from the 19th century and current satellite observations,
> the scientists were able to conclude that "70 percent of the glaciers
> have been shrinking regularly since the end of the 1880s at a rate of
> around eight meters per year," Yde said.
>
> "We studied 95 percent of the area covered by glaciers in Disko and
> everything indicates that our results are also valid for the glaciers
> along the coasts of the rest of Greenland," he said.
>
> http://bluemarbleclimate.wordpress.com/
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> thermal expansion of the oceans and associated rising sea
> levels
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>
> Huh?
> The oceans are cooling and sea levels are hardly budging.
>
Point one: We've known for 20 years about the earth's moderate, natural
1,500-year climate cycle, which we discovered in the Greenland and
Antarctic ice cores. The ice shows seven previous global warmings in the
past 12,000 years. Two of these-8,000 years ago and 5,000 years
ago-were, for many centuries, substantially warmer than today. The
Greenland and Antarctic ice caps didn't melt.
Point two: This can't be global warming. 1) The Arctic was also warm in
the 1920s; the Russians say it happens every 70 years or so. 2) The
Antarctic Ice is now at a modern high. The Antarctic has been cooling
since the 1960s, according to Peter Doran's 2002 paper in Nature. Thanks
to warming's additional snowfall, the East Antarctic ice cap is
currently gaining about 45 billion tons of ice per year.
Neels Reeh of the University of Denmark says that another 1 degree C of
warming would melt enough Greenland ice to raise sea levels perhaps half
an inch per year-but added ice in the Antarctic would lower sea level
almost that much. The net increase has been six inches per century, and
it isn't expected to change.
Why not? Cliff Ollier, well-known geoscientist from the University of
Western Australia, writes to say that Hansen is just a climate modeler
who doesn't understand either ice caps or their melting. He thinks the
whole ice cap melting thing is a figment of the climate modelers'
computerized imaginations, conjured up to ensure that we're properly
frightened of global warming. Otherwise, the grant money might dry up.
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
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