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Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?

by "Elle" <honda.lioness@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM

"kastnna" <kastnna@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> On Apr 4, 6:28 pm, "Elle" <honda.lion...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Could you please give a link to an annuity company that 
>> has
>> such a guarantee?
>
> Most annuity companies offer such guarantees. The general 
> term is a
> "guaranteed minimum income benefit" (GMIB). There are a 
> number of spin-
> offs of the GMIB, but I believe it is the most common, 
> useful, and
> easy to understand. I hate to tout products, but MetLife 
> offers the
> "GMIB plus" which is one of the most common I encounter.

So I see, as an example, 
http://www.metlife.com/Applications/Cor****ate/WPS/CDA/PageGenerator/0,4773,P250%5ES926,00.html?FILTERNAME=@[EMAIL
PROTECTED]
>  If the contract has been
> "annuitized" it functions just like any other annuity. If 
> there is a
> period certain or joint survivor owner then payments may 
> continue for
> a specified length of time. Otherwise they are lost just 
> like any
> other annuity.

I think that's one potential (but not definite) drawback to 
many: That the principal or what remains of it is often lost 
at death. Of course, as I was trying to propose in response 
to Douglas, I see these vehicles as insurance policies as 
much as an investment. So no, one does not necessarily get 
back what one put in. But one might also get back more than 
one put in. An annuity (variable or otherwise) with 
reasonable fees is always to some extent about peace of 
mind.

To me the other major drawbacks are

1. committing for a long period of time before one can 
exercise (so to speak) the GMIB. Ten years seems usual.

2. expiration of the GMIB at about age 85, or so it seems 
typical.

I think these are im****tant caveats when mentioning a 6% 
GMIB. Not to say (1) and (2) above are "bad" things. More 
that, with all due respect and IMO, it's not quite as great 
a deal as your post might lead one to believe. (Granted the 
constraints of posting preclude a complete discussion.) I 
would in fact be very interested in an investment vehicle 
that guaranteed a return of max(6%, annual S&P 500 
appreciation less 3%). But with the caveats, these annuity 
GMIB products are not attractive to me. With the ten-year 
requirement, I am not sure they would be attractive at any 
age.

These annuities are also sure darn complicated, which to me 
means the insurance company finds ways to make their money. 
This is their right, but I cannot feel secure without 
understanding what the company is getting in exchange for my 
purchase.

Two cents on this produce from a consumer. 

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Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
V <vfr44@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-28 14:13:26 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Justin <nospam@[EMAIL   2008-03-28 14:27:53 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
joetaxpayer <joetaxpay  2008-03-28 14:55:15 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Don <dwzimm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-28 15:40:25 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Cal" <cal-l  2008-03-29 04:50:11 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Mark Freeland"  2008-03-29 10:34:59 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Don <dwzimm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-03-29 16:06:02 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Thumper <jaylsmith@[EM  2008-04-05 20:45:54 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Cal" <cal-l  2008-04-06 06:11:49 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Douglas Johnson <post@  2008-04-06 15:25:52 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Don <dwzimm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-06 17:04:10 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Elle" <hond  2008-04-06 18:22:07 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Douglas Johnson <post@  2008-04-06 19:16:50 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Mark Freeland"  2008-03-28 17:10:21 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Ron Rosenfeld <ronrose  2008-03-29 15:15:10 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Dave Dodson <dave_and_  2008-03-30 00:29:03 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-04 15:26:03 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-04 15:44:17 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Elle" <hond  2008-04-04 18:28:40 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Don <dwzimm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-04 20:02:04 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 10:37:53 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"HW \"Skip\&quo  2008-04-08 12:50:37 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Elle" <hond  2008-04-08 12:50:41 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 10:50:22 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
Don <dwzimm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-08 11:30:32 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 10:50:39 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 11:45:14 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 12:42:01 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 13:35:12 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 14:35:04 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 14:45:10 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-08 14:45:14 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
"Elle" <hond  2008-04-09 04:10:52 
Re: Annuities...are they a crap shoot?
kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-09 10:20:55 

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