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Re: Index annuity real returns

by kastnna <kastnna@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 02:13 PM

On Apr 25, 12:40 pm, beliav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

>
> This and the rest of your advice is sound, but as a practical matter,
> to estimate the "fair value" of these products, you need to be a
> derivatives specialist, comfortable with the Black Scholes model and
> its ofshoots. Part of my job used to be valuing such products, using
> traded options on the SPX index as inputs. The annuity market is one-
> sided -- the insurance company quotes you an offer price, but not a
> bid price -- the price at which *they* would buy the contract.
>
> Exchange-traded structured products AKA index-linked notes with
> similar features to indexed annuities are traded on the AMEX --
seehttp://www.amex.com/?href=/strProd/SPMain.jsp.
Those products are
> initially sold to brokerage customers at a 5 to 10% markup, in my
> experience, but their prices on the secondary market after the initial
> offering may be fair. The bid-ask spread will typically be much
> smaller than the surrender fee of an annuity.

Very interesting. I am admittedly not very well versed in that area. I
also admit I did not do a great job of addressing the OPs primary
question (which you do). Everyone please consider my post more of a
slightly off-topic, warning to anyone considering these products.

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L <lcasino@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-24 16:53:23 
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joetaxpayer <joetaxpay  2008-04-24 19:57:37 
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BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-25 08:35:09 
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joetaxpayer <joetaxpay  2008-04-25 16:02:19 
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"rick++" <ri  2008-04-25 09:00:25 
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kastnna <kastnna@[EMAI  2008-04-25 09:21:02 
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Douglas Johnson <post@  2008-04-25 16:35:08 
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beliavsky@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-25 12:40:18 
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