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Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings

by "Marco Polo" <Marco@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 15, 2008 at 06:05 PM

<BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Bill Woessner <woessner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
>
> (And not everyone can put the legal max into retirement accounts -
> even if one can put the full $15.5k into a 401k *and* maxes out
> an IRA (Roth or Trad), that's still only $20.5k

$15.5K is not the legal max that can be put into a 401K.  I see this 
mistakenly stated in many places.
That is the max that can be put in Pre-tax.
The total limit for 2008 is $46K combined Employee/Employer.

This year, I will put in $23K, my generous employer matches with $23K,
total 
of $46K goes in to 401K.
The amount above the Pre-tax limit of $15.5K is taxed, but grows tax 
deferred, kind of like contributing to a non-deductible Traditional IRA, 
plus i get the 100% match.

While this is good to capture all the free money, it can lead to imbalance

in the Retirement vs. Non-Retirement savings.  Particularly if you plan to

retire early, but can not touch the over-weighted "retirement" saving. 
There is Rule 72t, but that is a discussion for another day.

As an aside, every year i get a piece of these contributions (both mine
and 
employer match) paid back to me out of the 401K because we fail the 
"fairness" test for HCEs.  I am always amazed that people do not take 
advantage of 100% matching on 10% of income.  It is like saying "No
Thanks" 
to a 10% raise!
I have jokingly advocated identifying those that do not max out enough to 
get all the matching, and firing them for excersizing such poor judgement.

If they are making such bad financial decisions in their own lives, what 
kind of decisions are they making regarding company matters?

Best regards,
Marco Polo

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 22 Posts in Topic:
Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-07 09:43:33 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 12:41:21 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Dave Dodson <dave_and_  2008-05-07 14:39:41 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elizabeth Richardso  2008-05-07 17:57:07 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
jIM <noreplysoccer@[EM  2008-05-07 18:02:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Sandra Loosemore <nore  2008-05-07 21:26:46 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Ron Peterson <ron@[EMA  2008-05-07 20:47:53 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-07 21:27:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 08:29:45 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Marco Polo" &l  2008-05-15 18:05:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elle" <hond  2008-05-15 19:09:08 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Default User"   2008-05-16 12:04:36 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elle" <hond  2008-05-16 12:50:31 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Tad Borek <borekfm@[EM  2008-05-16 12:14:31 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elizabeth Richardso  2008-05-08 15:00:44 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
joetaxpayer <joetaxpay  2008-05-08 17:51:14 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Dave Dodson <dave_and_  2008-05-08 08:00:30 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"rick++" <ri  2008-05-08 13:52:58 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Paul Michael Brown <pm  2008-05-09 16:05:20 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Douglas Johnson <post@  2008-05-15 09:50:37 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
jIM <noreplysoccer@[EM  2008-05-12 12:18:18 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-21 09:35:14 

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