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Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings

by Tad Borek <borekfm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 16, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Elle wrote:
> "Marco Polo" <Marco@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> I have jokingly advocated identifying those that do not 
>> max out enough to get all the matching, and firing them 
>> for excersizing such poor judgement. If they are making 
>> such bad financial decisions in their own lives, what kind 
>> of decisions are they making regarding company matters?
> 
> Fair point. I will raise you that management likes not 
> having to match and likes even more having an automaton who 
> just takes orders.


It's not as simple as that -- the match often allows that same 
management to contribute more to their own plans.

This is getting a little far afield for MIFP but it might help people 
understand why matching percentages are set where they are. 401k plans 
must pass "nondiscrimination tests," because the plans are supposed to 
benefit all employees, not just highly compensated ones. Tests look at 
contributions and balances among all employees, sorted by compensation 
levels. If only senior executives are contributing it will cause some 
problems -- perhaps some MIFP readers have encountered this, where they 
needed to undo a contribution.

By adopting a "safe harbor" 401k plan, an employer can avoid some of 
these tests. One safe harbor involves offer matching contributions of at 
least some minimal levels. So this is one reason a plan might offer "3% 
match on the first 3%," that's part of one of the safe harbor plans.

So to the OP -- in effect this is another benefit to the company for 
matching, it has to do with IRS rules about nondiscrimination testing 
and "safe harbor" 401k plans. Without the match the plan could be out of 
compliance, and the senior execs couldn't contribute as much.

-Tad

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 22 Posts in Topic:
Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-07 09:43:33 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 12:41:21 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Dave Dodson <dave_and_  2008-05-07 14:39:41 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elizabeth Richardso  2008-05-07 17:57:07 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
jIM <noreplysoccer@[EM  2008-05-07 18:02:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Sandra Loosemore <nore  2008-05-07 21:26:46 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Ron Peterson <ron@[EMA  2008-05-07 20:47:53 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-07 21:27:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
BreadWithSpam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 08:29:45 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Marco Polo" &l  2008-05-15 18:05:00 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elle" <hond  2008-05-15 19:09:08 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Default User"   2008-05-16 12:04:36 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elle" <hond  2008-05-16 12:50:31 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Tad Borek <borekfm@[EM  2008-05-16 12:14:31 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"Elizabeth Richardso  2008-05-08 15:00:44 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
joetaxpayer <joetaxpay  2008-05-08 17:51:14 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Dave Dodson <dave_and_  2008-05-08 08:00:30 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
"rick++" <ri  2008-05-08 13:52:58 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Paul Michael Brown <pm  2008-05-09 16:05:20 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Douglas Johnson <post@  2008-05-15 09:50:37 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
jIM <noreplysoccer@[EM  2008-05-12 12:18:18 
Re: Balancing Retirement and Non-Retirement Savings
Bill Woessner <woessne  2008-05-21 09:35:14 

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