Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Mar 23, 7:04 am, Ted <tedor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 5:51 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
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>> <PopUlist...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Mar 22, 8:22 pm, Ted <tedor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 22, 12:41 pm, "johnny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <johnny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> by Dunstan McNichol/The Star-Ledger
>>>>> Thursday March 20, 2008, 12:22 PM
>>>>> One of New Jersey's most prolific home builders, D.R. Horton,
routinely
>>>>> hires undo***ented immigrants and pays them off the books, costing
the
>>>>> workers and state taxpayers millions of dollars, a carpenter's union
>>>>> alleges in a lawsuit announced today.
>>>>> "I call upon our justice system to send a clear message to D.R.
Horton,"
>>>>> Frank Spencer, Eastern District vice president of the United
Brotherhood
>>>>> of Carpenters, said at a news conference announcing the lawsuit in
>>>>> Trenton this morning. "Enough is enough. It's time to pay the bill."
>>>>> In their suit, filed by former state Labor Commission Al Kroll, the
>>>>> carpenters' union claims Horton fired unionized workers at a Cherry
Hill
>>>>> construction site in 2006, then replaced them with a subcontractor
who
>>>>> hired dozens of workers off the books.
>>>>> Repeated at job sites throughout the state, Horton saved millions of
>>>>> dollars by hiring undo***ented immigrants who were willing to work
for
>>>>> low pay without benefits, the suit says.
>>>>> In Cherry Hill, for instance, the employees Horton "misclassified"
as
>>>>> independent contractors rather than full-time employees were paid
>>>>> between $8 and $14 an hour, far below the prevailing carpenter's
wage of
>>>>> $21 to $23 per hour, according to the suit. Horton and its
>>>>> subcontractors also failed to pay state and federal wage taxes for
the
>>>>> misclassified workers.
>>>>> Kroll said the lawsuit against Horton is the first of its kind in
New
>>>>> Jersey, but that it addresses a construction industry problem that
is
>>>>> growing.
>>>>> "This hiring scheme is one of the most blatant abuses of law that
I've
>>>>> seen in my terms as a labor attorney and Labor Commissioner," said
Kroll.
>>>>> The suit, which carpenters say is authorized by a 2007 state law
that
>>>>> attempted to crack down on illegal hiring in the construction
industry,
>>>>> seeks damages for the lost wages and benefits, triple damages
against
>>>>> Horton for racketeering, and an injunction against Horton from
>>>>> continuing the misclassification.
>>>>> Horton's spokeswoman in the company's Fort Worth, Texas,
headquarters
>>>>> could not be reached for comment.
>>>>>
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/carpenters_union_sues_builde...
>>>> Seize Horton's assets under the "little" RICCO act; jail time for
>>>> company
>>>> officers.
>>>> ted
>>>> http://www.newnation.org/
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>>> Well, let me tell you about "hiring illegals."
>>> In August 2005 I was building a house on the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
>>> Lost the house and everything I owned in Hurricane Katrina.
>>> Eventually settled in eastern Virginia near the Chesapeake Bay where I
>>> bought property and set about building a house. All the neighbors
>>> where I am living in a rental house have told me that a local builder
>>> will take 12 to 24 months to build my house. All the people in the
>>> area where I am building told me 12 to 24 months to build a house --
>>> because -- all the builders and trades around here work on their own
>>> time. Build a little, fish a little, hunt a little, build a little,
>>> **** off for a while, fish, build, hunt -- you get the picture.
>>> We broke ground on 11 February on a 2,500 square foot house with 2-car
>>> garage and 400 sq ft workshop. Today -- five weeks later:
>>> -- ****ngles are on, windows are in.
>>> -- Plumbing rough-in finished.
>>> -- Electrical rough-in will finish Monday.
>>> -- Rough-in inspection Wednesday then the insulators and drywall guys
>>> start. Drywall should be done by 31 March.
>>> -- We will move in starting 1 June.
>>> -- All other trades are lined up with start and end dates.
>>> -- All materials are set for delivery or pick-up.
>>> -- The site is cleaned every day.
>>> And why is it that we are building the same house in 4-1/2 months that
>>> everyone else builds in 12 to 24 months? Because:
>>> -- I hired a builder from 75 miles away.
>>> -- All his subs are from 75 miles away and there are almost no white
>>> faces on the crews -- plumber is a white guy, head of framing crew is
>>> a black guy -- everyone else is Hispanic. When they come to work,
>>> they WORK. No fi****ng, hunting, screwing around -- just work.
>>> Maybe it helps that I'm on site at the start of each day with coffee
>>> and at the end of each day with beer.
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>> So you justify illegal immigration based on building your ****house
>> in a low class area of Virginia!
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> In the first place, this house is being built to the highest possible
> standards -- but I won't argue building and material standards with a
> dumbass. That's what the builder is for -- to keep constant watch on
> quality and budget.
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> In the second place, I contacted four local builders and asked them
> for estimates. Every one of them set a time to meet with me and look
> at my plans and specs. NOT ONE OF THEM MET WITH ME. Every one of
> them called with an excuse and set another meeting and called with an
> excuse to cancel the second meeting -- in each case, after the second
> cancellation, I told them to forget about it. If you want the work,
> you need to go get the work. I'm not sitting on my hands waiting for
> some asshole to go deer hunting or fi****ng. You don't want my money,
> I'll give it to someone who'll work for it.
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The highest standards??? The International Building Code was dessigned
to get by as cheap as possible with the highest profit margin. The
things wont's survive the mortgage.
three years old "best Standards", high end home, of a friend, has cracks
in the exterior The foundation is only inches deep and if we have a
freezing period of over a few days, they will have another major
headache as it is built on soil that is constantly moist. The plumbing
is pex. that is all you have to say about it. It's flashy and looks
super from a distance. The studs were not even dry when they slapped it
together.
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