On Apr 3, 12:56=A0am, Tim Howard <tim.how...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Igor The Terrible wrote:
> > ...he was a Navy SEAL,
>
> He was in the Navy but there is no proof that he ever got off the ****p
> that was patroling around Vietnam and did squat. =A0He has never
provided
> any evidence of his supposed exploits in Vietnam, always saying it is
> classified.
>
> Governor of Minnesota,
>
> And to think I am embarrassed that my state voted for Arnold.
>
> =A0 he hit every topic on
>
> > Larry King Live on the nail head
>
> Even on topics where he is right he comes off sounding like a buffoon
> and a political amature.
Of course, and I emphasised that in his not being articulate. But the
fact remains that at least he is in touch with main street America and
what needs to be done to at least in part straighten out current
problems. Something the dems and repubs are totally clueless and out
of touch with.
>
> ...however, he didn't discuss health
>
> > care, education, untethered cor****ate whores, social security/
> > medicare, etc... =A0
>
> Of course not. =A0That would require some intellect and some
understanding=
> of politics.
So that pretty much rules out all politicians?
>
> He pretty much sounds like what an independent
>
> > should sound like.
>
> No, an "independent" like all politicians in any political party should
> sound like professionals, not buffoons. =A0They should be for something
> and have real solutions to our problems, not just being against
> everything and wanting to tear down everything.
Name "everything" the government is doing right?
>
> =A0 =A0His book, "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me"
>
> > may well be worth buying and reading.
>
> To those who like knee-jerk conspiratorial reactions to our problems
> instead of solutions.
Maybe. But, how many dems and repubs laid out solutions (that would
work) for education, health care, etc...?
>
> Who knows...the proceeds could> well put him in the position as a viable
i=
ndependent candidate for
> > 2012.
>
> Boy are you really that dumb? =A0You think he will make 150 million off
> this book?
Who says he needs to make that much? He won Minnesota on a $300k
campaign. At least that is what he said on LKL.
>
> > Folks...we CAN NOT afford more of the same two party politics. =A0It's
> > burying this country alive!!!
>
> > OK...he doesn't sound like the "politically correct" articulate
> > politician we have come to know and loath.
>
> Oh yes, it makes political novices like you feel good about yourself to
> just bash the system instead of making real change.
Wrong, most of us know what needs to be done to overhaul health care,
and other vital services, but it's pretty obvious that "seasoned"
members of congress cannot and will not do anything about it when
sucking up to lobbiests and big business.
We don't need a
> two-party system true, we need a multiparty system like most other free
> states in the world, where there are many different ideas expressed.
> Ventura wants to do away with parties altogether and have it just be
> about individuals. =A0No free democratic nation in the world is without
> political parties. =A0They are necessary for a free state. =A0We need
more=
> of them in power, not less.
>
I never said anything about ****-canning the parties; they can hang
out and make all the noise they want to anyone stupid enough to listen
to them. I've been pu****ng and sup****ting a 3 party system (or
better) for the longest time.
>> =A0 =A0Perhaps, that is our problem... we send smooth talking wind bags
t=
o Wa****ngton instead of
> > common sense people with a conscience and a sense of duty to their
> > country.
>
> And if you had no political parties, that is what you would send to
> Wa****ngton. =A0It would become about personalities instead of ideas.
> Maybe you want a Juan Peron for President but I don't. =A0Jesse Ventura
is=
> not at you describe him. =A0He is basically a rough-talking windbag.
=A0An=
d
> the smooth-talker would beat the likes of him each time. =A0Not that it
> would be any better or worse.
Again, I never said anything about dissolving the parties. I'm all
for a 3rd party or more of them. Also, it depends on the economic
climate. If the economy sucks, people are going to vote their
wallets. No smooth talker is going to pursuade them otherwise.
>
> Can anyone name one president that measured up to the above
>
> > criteria? =A0
>
> During what time period? =A0The last 220 years?
Since Reagan/Bush going forward.
>
>
>
> > Maybe we, as a nation, should rethink what we look for in a
> > politician. =A0What had the dems and repubs (a.k.a. the Bush/Clinton
> > dynasty)
>
> There is no Bush/Clinton dynasty. =A0That is another conspiracy theory
for=
> the likes of Ventura.
Get a grip, it's just a satirical label. However, America has be run
by Yale alumni since Bush Sr. Since Reagan policies went into effect
and the administrations that followed, the country has been going to
hell ever since.
>
> done for America over the past 28 years? =A0(includes Bush Sr.> as VP).
=
=A0A complete societal decay, nearly $10 trillion in debt,
> > tattered diplomatic relations, ...I could give you a list a mile
> > long...but you get the picture.
>
> You don't get the picture. =A0I am not a big fan of the Clinton's or any
> of the "new democrats". =A0We need a progressive liberal in the White
> House. =A0But under Clinton we did not have deficits nor "tattered
> diplomatic relations" as we did under Bush and Reagan.
I disagree. Juggling numbers and charts of accounts on how Clinton's
administration reflected a balanced budget is BS. The economy was
growing ill under Clinton and tanked when Bush Jr, took office. The
equity markets, specifically the the tech sector, slide big time while
Clinton was still in office, and Bush Jr. only took a bad situation
and made matters far worse. Sorry, the fundamentals are not there to
sup****t a Clinton supereconony. You are right about diplomatic
relations. But then, Bubba said and did little in terms of foreign
affairs except for signing NAFTA and GATT into law and giving China
most favored nation status. Oh, and facilitating mergers that gave
rise to cor****ate robber barons. Our economy has been sliding ever
since.
>
> > Maybe it will take a wrestler to take DC head on and kick some ass
> > around to put government in its place. =A0Of course, there is also the
> > option to wage a violent revolution against the powers that be to
> > complete a seriously overdue house cleaning.
>
> > Your (America's) call.
>
> The likes of you would be easily persuaded by some right-wing extremist.
Wrong again. In fact, not at all. Are you naive enough to think
earth shaking changes in public policy will come from the prevailing
passive, status quo political machine? You want to see change in this
country? Follow the blood trail. I see nothing happening until then.
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