Re: What do workers compete for?

On Thu, 13 May 2004 02:50:45 GMT, "Robert J. Kolker"
<robert_kolker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Karl Hallowell wrote:
>>  
>> I guess he keeps repeating this "lie" because it's an effective counter
to
>> the argument that land can't be produced. Among other things, your
>> definitions clearly differ since most people don't consider seabed to
be
>> "land".
>
>It is not a lie.

Yes, of course it is.  You are a habitual liar, and that is one of
your habitual lies.

>First of all vast amounts of water must be displaced 
>with a system of dykes and poulders.

In order to dry out the land that's very obviously already there,
because if the water was any deeper on top of it, the scheme wouldn't
work.

>Then the land exposed by impounding 
>ocean water must be desalinated, so it is not simply a matter of 
>uncovering otherwise wet ground. Much capital, much labor and much wits 
>are required to take land back from the sea.

Right.  But that is improving land, not creating it.

>Even dry land is not usually productive.

And neither is it produced.

>It has to be cleared and if 
>very dry irrigated and then treated so the Ph. is right for crops.

Some land must be improved before the rent can be collected from
users, other land need not.

>Then 
>it has to be managed by drop rotation, grass planting to prevent 
>topsoils from blowing away.

Sometimes the pre-existing land resource that was not produced by
labor needs such management to be productive, but usually not.

>This idiot lable of land applied to 
>something that has to be worked to be useful is context dropping of the 
>worst sort.

ROTFL!!  Sorry, Bob, but you are obviously just another economic
illiterate, and _you_ are the one who is dropping the context -- like
studiously omitting the crucial fact that the Dutch could _only_ dry
out the pre-existing, not-made-by-labor land where the sea covering it
was _already_ very shallow. 

You are just sad, now.

>Usually the Marxists and the other Pinko-Stinkos have no concept of how 
>to make land or any other resource useful and valuable. They just throw 
>lables like capital and labor around.

Too bad for you that the _economic_ concepts of land, capital and
labor long antedate Marx and "Pinko-Stinkos" (whatever they might be).

>Well, I will tell you something, 
>both God and the Devil are in the details and these Marixst idiots have 
>no concept of the details.

Whereas as you have no concept of the concept...

-- Roy L