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Subprime issues: distraction for looming Govnmnt bankruptcy Nightmare?

by "J.H.Boersema" <joshb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 3, 2008 at 09:42 AM

hsyq8xg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>The Subprime Nightmare: 'Pros Warn Of Panic Over Credit' -' Financial
>Firms Face $600 Billion Credit Losses: UBS'
>
>Pros Warn Of Panic Over Credit
>
>By Peralte C. Paul
>The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
>1 March, 2008
>
>Taken in context, the subprime mortgage mess is just a small slice of
>a multitrillion-dollar debt pie.

Unlike in the housing market where at least you have actual homes at
some real world collateral value, nothing underlies a double digit
trillion dollar debt default of the USA Government.  True to form
the media are not writing something like:

     ``USA bankrupt in the near future 
       (financial editor)

       At the current debt rate the
       USA Government which started
       lending in ... , like so
       many Governments are used
       to doing, will be bankrupt
       in the coming years. Debt
       stands at above 9 trillion,
       tax income is about 2.5
       trillion a year. Even at
       low interest rates the debt
       will soon become impossible
       to pay back. Expectation
       is new lenders will demand
       high interest because of
       the bankruptcy risk and
       increasingly stay away from
       Government debt certificates,
       causing the Government to be
       unable to pay old debt with
       new debt.  It does not get
       enough taxes in to pay for
       the debt with taxation money.
       The shockwave of a double
       digit trillion dollar debt
       default of most of Government
       debt, issued to both the
       private and cor****ate world,
       threatens to send financial
       shockwaves around the world.
       The problem is magnitudes
       worse then the mortgage
       crisis.
       
       "Unless something drastic
       is being done to offset the
       problem," .... said, "for
       instance printing additional
       amounts of dollars to pay for
       the debt, the outlook for the
       USA Government and economy
       is bearish [code word for
       going down]."  However, debt
       expert ... from points out
       that that printing 9 trillion
       of dollars to pay for debt
       causes foreign holdings
       of dollar to devalue,
       motivating foreign owners to
       push their dollars back into
       the American economy to buy
       goods while those dollars are
       still worth something. If
       that happens, the combined
       effect of Government printing
       and foreign cash coming back
       may devalue the dollar to
       such an extend that what now
       costs 1 dollar may then cost
       10 or 100 dollars. "We would
       be left struggling the beast
       of hyperinflation." If the
       debt is allowed to default
       without printing fresh money,
       then the entities holding
       the trillions of dollars in
       debt certificates will have
       to write off those trillions
       of dollars. This may spell
       their bankruptcy, trouble
       for people who are relying on
       debt certificates to sustain
       them without having to work.
       "The word in the markets
       is that USA Government debt
       certificates are hot, hot as
       in hot potatoe ... it is hard
       to tell whether we will be
       bailed out or not. It will
       probably depend on who has
       the debt certificates to
       whom the political favors
       will flow."
       
       Another source spoke strictly
       off the record. "Don't let
       anyone in on this secret,
       because the People most not
       know what is going on," he
       said "as they will demand
       an end to the profitable
       Government debt racket." This
       knowledge can throw
       demand for USA debt into a
       tailspin. The Government
       would have to promise
       higher interest rates,
       in turn making technical
       bankruptcy come even quicker,
       fueling the fear. "We are
       working hard to cover our
       own liabilities" he said "and
       try to make sure the People
       are left holding the bag,
       one way or the other."
       
       Dark clouds on the
       horizon. Wherever if anywhere
       the favors may land within
       the group that owns USA
       debt, the instability is
       not likely be a good thing.
       Perhaps gathering food
       buffers to survive a nuclear
       winter won't prove such a bad
       investment after all !

Definitely not a story any media is re****ting, which is highly
odd given it is so predictable / obvious, and given that computing
bankruptcy is the bread & butter of the finance industry. I guess
that means these media are working together at some level with the
people that are financially cra****ng our Governments (from the side
of politics and/or the side of finance). One of the things to do in
case of a crash: don't put people and groups that expanded Govnmnt
debt back in to power. They will go on serving themselves only, and
simply act depending on their own financial positions (if they hold
debt they will bail debt out, if they don't then they will not, and
they will manipulate their positions depending on political expediency
of either, and trying to hurt their financial and political enemies
in the process). If all seems chaos, the best option may be to boot
up the economy with new money at starting positions from scratch
(the problem of capital flight is a difficult one, other nations
will have to hunt those funds down and zap them, potentially using
their own new currency distributed at starting positions; flight
in commodities can be dealt with by determining a new owner at
economic starting positions; the debt problem seems global, hence
it is only natural other Nations will also be restructering and
rebooting their economies at starting positions). 

(By the way: the French president has apparently complained that
France is already bankrupted.
http://www.depers.nl/buitenland/105119/Premier-Frankrijk-is-bankroet.html

<Quote/translate>
.... France is bankrupted as a concequence of the chronic funding
shortages in the past 15 years. That was said by the French
premier Francois Fillon friday. "This can not go on like this," he 
said.  Before 2012, when the next presidential elections will be
held, the budget should be balanced according to him. President
Nicolas Sarkozy said he would attempt to bring the shortage back
to 2.4 percent. Only in 2012 will there be no shortage he said. </>)

I'd say simply default on all the debt: cheaper & quicker, may
the chips fall where they fall because nobody should even buy
Govnmnt debt to begin with. Defaulting hurts people who are doing
bad things, they shouldn't get a profit from that. It is a waste
of valuable tax money to pay back those debts IMHO.
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Subprime issues: distraction for looming Govnmnt bankruptcy Nigh
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