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Re: when will the conservative carnage end, i bet it will continue for many years after they are driven from office, it will take time to reverse all of this damage, oil sets another new record high, the dollar sets another new low, inflation rages on

by stuff_stuff@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mar 7, 2008 at 05:25 PM

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:21:38 -0800 (PST), orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Phil scott
>>
>> http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Politics/whynotthegoldstandard.html
>>
>> Why Not the Gold Standard?
>> Talking Points on the Likely Consequences of Re-Establishment of a
>> Gold Standard:
>> Brad DeLong
>> U.C. Berkeley
>>
>> Consequences for the Magnitude of Business Cycles:
>> Loss of control over economic policy. If the U.S. and a substantial
>> number of other industrial economies adopted a gold standard, the U.S.
>> would lose the ability to tune its economic policies to fit domestic
>> conditions.
>>         *       For example, in the spring of 1995 the dollar weakened
against the
>> yen. Under a gold standard, such a decline in the dollar would not
>> have been allowed: instead the Federal Reserve would have raised
>> interest rates considerably in order to keep the value of the dollar
>> fixed at its gold parity, and a recession would probably have
>> followed.
>> Recessionary bias. Under a gold standard, the burden of adjustment is
>> always placed on the "weak currency" country.
>>         *       Countries seeing downward market pressure on the values
of their
>> currencies are forced to contract their economies and raise
>> unemployment.
>>         *       The gold standard imposes no equivalent adjustment
burden on
>> countries seeing upward market pressure on currency values.
>>         *       Hence a deflationary bias which makes it likely that a
gold
>> standard regime will see a higher average unemployment rate than an
>> alternative managed regime.
>> The gold standard and the Great Depression. The current judgment of
>> economic historians (see, for example, Barry J. Eichengreen, Golden
>> Fetters) is that attachment to the gold standard played a major part
>> in keeping governments from fighting the Great Depression, and was a
>> major factor turning the recession of 1929-1931 into the Great
>> Depression of 1931-1941.
>>         *       Countries that were not on the gold standard in
1929--or that
>> quickly abandoned the gold standard--by and large escaped the Great
>> Depression
>>         *       Countries that abandoned the gold standard in 1930 and
1931
>> suffered from the Great Depression, but escaped its worst ravages.
>>         *       Countries that held to the gold standard through 1933
(like the
>> United States) or 1936 (like France) suffered the worst from the Great
>> Depression
>>         *       Commitment to the gold standard prevented Federal
Reserve action to
>> expand the money supply in 1930 and 1931--and forced President Hoover
>> into destructive attempts at budget-balancing in order to avoid a gold
>> standard-generated run on the dollar.
>>         *       Commitment to the gold standard left countries
vulnerable to "runs"
>> on their currencies--Mexico in January of 1995 writ very, very large.
>> Such a run, and even the fear that there might be a future run,
>> boosted unemployment and amplified business cycles during the gold
>> standard era.
>>         *       The standard interpretation of the Depression, dating
back to
>> Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz's Monetary History of the United
>> States, is that the Federal Reserve could have but for some mysterious
>> reason did not boost the money supply to cure the Depression; but
>> Friedman and Schwartz do not stress the role played by the gold
>> standard in tieing the Federal Reserve's hands--the "golden fetters"
>> of Eichengreen.
>>         *       Friedman was and is aware of the role played by the
gold standard--
>> hence his long time advocacy of floating exchange rates, the
>> antithesis of the gold standard.
>>
>> Consequences for the Long-Run Average Rate of Inflation:
>> Average inflation determined by gold mining. Under a gold standard,
>> the long-run trajectory of the price level is determined by the pace
>> at which gold is mined in South Africa and Russia.
>>         *       For example, the discovery and exploitation of large
gold reserves
>> near present-day Johannesburg at the end of the nineteenth century was
>> responsible for a four percentage point per year ****ft in the
>> worldwide rate of inflation--from a deflation of roughly two percent
>> per year before 1896 to an inflation of roughly two percent per year
>> after 1896.
>>         *       In the election of 1896, William Jennings Bryan's
Democrats called
>> for free coinage of silver as a way to end the then-current deflation
>> and stop the transfer of wealth away from indebted farmers. The
>> concurrent gold discoveries in South Africa changed the rate of drift
>> of the price level, and accomplished more than the writers of the
>> Democratic platform could have dreamed, without any change in the U.S.
>> coinage.
>>         *       Thus any political factors that interrupted the pace of
gold mining
>> would have major effects on the long-run trend of the price level--
>> send us into an era of slow deflation, with high unemployment.
>> Conversely, significant advances in gold mining technology could
>> provide a significant boost to the average rate of inflation over
>> decades.
>>         *       Under the gold standard, the average rate of inflation
or deflation
>> over decades ceases to be under the control of the government or the
>> central bank, and becomes the result of the balance between growing
>> world production and the pace of gold mining.
>>
>> Why Do Some Still Advocate a Gold Standard?
>>         *       A belief that governments and central banks should not
control the
>> average rate of inflation over decades, and that the world will be
>> better off if the long-run drift of the price level is determined
>> "automatically."
>>         *       A belief that bondholders and investors will be
reassured by a
>> government committed to a gold standard, will be confident that
>> inflation rates will be low, and so will bid down nominal interest
>> rates.
>>         *       Of course, if you do not trust a central bank to keep
inflation
>> low, why should you trust it to remain on the gold standard for
>> generations? This large hole in the supposed case for a gold standard
>> is not addressed.
>>         *       Failure to recognize the role played by the gold
standard in
>> amplifying and propagating the Great Depression.
>>         *       Failure to recognize that the international monetary
system
>> functions best when the burden-of-adjustment is spread between balance-
>> of-payments "surplus" and "deficit" countries, rather than being
>> loaded exclusively onto "deficit" countries.
>>         *       Failure to recognize how gold convertibility increases
the
>> likelihood of a run on the currency, and thus amplifies recessions.-
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>
>with a commodity standard it is possible to save without having your
>money eroded by inflation. bank runs could be avoided by enforcing a
>100 percent reserve requirement.
>
>brad delong works for the privatly owned federal reserve. 

Not really. But this spares you actually having to address the
numerous hard hitting points he made against your foolish position.

>thus he
>sup****ts their ability to counterfeit money and enslave the people of
>the us.

And he was on the grassy knoll! Sheesh you keep maxing out my kook
meter with all that nonsense.

>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bradford_DeLong
 




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Re: when will the conservative carnage end, i bet it will contin
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