On Mar 20, JCrowe <bongof...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> In every case where a republic has
> >> made the transition to empire and taken the
> >> further step of over reach in foreign policy
> >> at the point of the sword, the result has been
> >> collapse. You need only look to the collapse of
> >> Rome, Venice, England, Spain, ****tugal...the
> >> list is long. In this respect, the U.S. is no
> >> different... What we
> >> now are seeing in the U.S. is just a more
> >> technologically advanced version of the same
> >> tragedy.
>
> > However, I think you underestimate the differences
> > today, due to our advanced industrialization...
> > specifically, the industrialized warfare complex.
>
> As an aside, the only significant U.S. manufacturing that is
> still really based in the U.S. is arms.
Manufacturing doesn't matter nearly as much
as the Chicken Littles decry. The im****tant
thing, economically, is that resources get
utilized efficiently; it doesn't matter who or
where. Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage...
However, your point is taken, that we
vastly overspend on war. And it's sickening
to listen to the rabble rousers yap about "good
for the economy" and "good jobs".
> The last guy who declared the U.S. could have
> both guns and butter by playing
> the same games that Bush and company are playing was LBJ
> and the Viet Nam experience and subsequent hard times were
> blamed on Carter primarily.
>
> In twenty years, the U.S. will be a third world
> backwater... the last T-bill auction saw a very
> reduced demand from those folks...who wants
> to keep pissing real resources down a rathole
> like the current U.S. economy.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with
the U.S. economy. Americans are productive
as ever, that's what an economy is - people
producing and trading. We're not Mongolia.
The problem is a welfare ethic, where everyone
has a right to everything they want... call it
'need', and no can deny you. The political
class panders to this - for their own gain -
and tragically the central bank has become
their tool, handing out free money for decades.
As in the Vietnam era you alluded. And the
process is accelerating...
> > And not just foreign war, but war against our own
> > citizens, as the security apparatus continues to
> > expand without limit... in the perpetual War on
> > Terror, with the approval of Congress... Orwell
> > was the great prophet of our time.
>
> Orwell was quite prescient. Hard to
> believe he was actually a socialist.
That was early, later he renounced socialism,
after seeing the horrors of the soviets.
> Here are some quite applicable quotes....
> War against a foreign country only happens when
> the moneyed cl***** think they are going to profit from it.
This is Marxist propaganda, that business
as a whole benefits from war. Only a small
section, the war industry, profits... everyone
else pays. Of course, the warmongers are
horrifically influential.
> Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is
> represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense
> against a homicidal maniac.
> ~George Orwell
"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why
would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his
life in a war when the best that he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece...
But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple
matter to drag the people along... "
- Hermann Goering
Mark
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