> > the dot com bust NOT HAPPENING). In addition to this, Clinton left
> > the US utterly devoid of intelligence services, the result of which
> > was 9-11. Bush failed to improve on any of these situations, and
>
> Bull. In the transition, Clinton's people warned Bush's people about Al
> Qaeda. Then Bush proceeded to let bin Laden get away at Tora Bora.
> Finally, Bush decide to go destroy an inherent enemy of radical Sunni
Islam
> (the Ba'ath state in Iraq) instead of committing resources to fight
against
> AQ.
Yes. "we think AQ may be planning something at some point. But you
have no resources to find out what where or when". Thanks a lot
guys. That's just great. And I guess that saddam was joking all
those times he offered to destroy the US? and probably he didn't
REALLY mean it when he gassed his own city?
Besides, AQ is only the smallest tip of a vast popular movement.
really, we're at war with islam and have been since biblical times.
> > then, along comes peak oil. That ALSO wasn't bush's fault, in fact,
> > he several times proposed measures that would have vastly improved the
> > situation (anwr drilling, continental shelf drilling) but was
> > resoundingly shouted down for "environmental reasons". Bush has been
>
> Drilling in ANWR wouldn't help much, because oil is a fungible commodity
> traded on the world market. It certainly wouldn't help nearly as much
as
> increasing CAFE limits or increasing gasoline taxes.
Neither would make any real difference in the long term, but
short term survival is just as im****tant. Drilling anwr would either
push back peak oil or extend the plateau while battery technology has
a further chance to develop into something that MAY be useful in the
trans****t picture. It would also flatten oil prices long enough to
allow the construction of alternative energy facilities.
Increasing the cafe standards is of limited utility. we will be
unable to meet the limits we have recently put in place. There is no
fleet on the planet that meets the 40 mpg aferage requirement. In
fact, there is not one automobile on the market in the US that meets
those requirements. The best improvements that can be made on that
front will be swamped by population increases and emerging markets.
we need the PHEVs and we need em soon, but that really is not
appropriately a government issue.
> > the most ineffectual president in US history, partly due to... his
> > own ineffectually, and partly due to rampant opposition on the
> > political front by those who view his failures as their own successes
> > regardless of the results to the nation (democrats). And all this at
>
> Bush's greatest failure is, of course, the invasion and occupation of
Iraq.
> How is the role of the Democrats relevant to his decision to invade at
all,
> except insofar as they were insufficiently opposed to Bush on the issue,
> which hardly bolsters your argument?
Having failed to get the GOOD ideas past the democrats, he went
with the only remaining option. can't blame him for trying.
> > a time when we desperately needed cooperation and... a hero. Pity
>
> It's clear from the US political scene that, while the Democrats might
be
> bad and all, the Republicans are complete thugs.
Please. The democrats are not the least bit better in any
respect. They are BOTH thugs, thieves and liars.
> > about the world, it was good while it lasted, but it's over now.
> > Stock up on ammunition people, you're pretty likely to need it.
>
> LOL! Right. When the tanks and fighter-bombers come after you, your
> assault rifle won't do squat.
Assuming that there armies with tanks and fighters at that time.
What will they use to run the tanks/ bombers? Tanks do not run on
malevolence, they need oil. Oil requires industry. Industry only
functions in stable political climates. My hunting rifle works fine
against other guys with hunting rifles :) Not much use against the
army I will grant you, but great against the cripps.
> A necessary and sufficient condition for opposition to tyranny is
effective
> organization. Guns are not necessary, insofar as a well-organized group
> will be able to procure them even if they start without them; and they
> certainly aren't sufficient.
Effective organization is only effective when the ultimate threat
of force exists. without that you got nothing. As evidence, look at
any oppressed populace. the only difference between a genocide and a
democracy is the armament level of the populace. Government should
always be more afraid of the people than the people are of the
government.
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