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> You are adamant on refusing to believe what you know is coming.
> Besides that your anger is clouding your knowledge of history.
No anger, just laughter. Major laughter.
> Fist, that "China's empire was the Mongol empire, some 1000 years ago"
> is pure nonsense. Mongols came from Mongolia, not China.
Mongolia is part of China, now. Bet you didn't know that.
Like China,
> India was a part of this Mongol empire at one point.
Not according to a book I can cite. The Mongols went basically
straight west, not southwest.
> Second, that any colonialist "left voluntarily" is also nonsense.
After reading "India Britanica" (I can get the author's name if you
want), there was discussion in England even in the late 1800s that
someday India would have to be granted independence. This discussion
proceeded for several decades. I am sure that Ghandi's civil
disobedience program fed into this, but the basic bottom line was that
the economic gain to England from India, compared to the cost to
England of England's imperialism in India was not worth continuing the
imperial relation****p.
As a matter of fact, all European colonialism in Africa was ended
primarily by initiation from European powers. All sub-Saharan African
territories were granted independence over a 30+ year period,
depending on cir***stances.
The only place where rebellions kicked out imperial/colonial powers
was South America and that took 200-300 years.
By
> their nature, colonialists arrive for the purpose of thievery of
> resources much like US in Iraq today.
And, of course, so do "immigrants" who come to the USA because their
own country can't take care of them.
There is no honor among thieves
> either invading or departing.
Just like Indians who think US jobs belong to India/Indians, but not
people who are born in the USA.
Therefore there is no question of a
> 'sudden moral realization' that what they are doing is wrong.
Actually, you are wrong, because I'll bet if an Indian, anywhere, buys
a car and then that car is stollen from him by anyone and he
discoveres that he still has to make car payments if he got financing
for that car, then he will have "sudden moral realization" that car
theft is wrong (while at the same time "job theft" is OK).
It's
> always a confluence of international factors (like the rise of Soviet
> Communism sup****ting revolutionary anti-colonialist movements)
Of course, they "absorbed" eastern europe and all of the republics,
which broke away in the late 1980s. Most of these breakaways were
voluntarily allowed by Russia. One exception is Chechnaya.
and/or
> domestic factors (unity among the all Indians
Is there really "unity" among all Indians? Or are you just considering
Hindus as Indians and all the others (eg. Muslims) as non Indians? How
about the Dalits? Do YOU consider them as Indians?
) which puts an end to
> colonialism. The same will happen to the US in Iraq.
I was never in favor of going into Iraq and I blame our stupid
president and we have had other stupid presidents (eg. Viet Nam).
> Like the now defunct British empire,
Most of the economic thinking (how valid it is is open to separate
discussion) said that colonialism/imperialism could be replaced by
normal trade. There have been no real "empires," anywhere, for many
decades now. And, England still rolls along, at a high standard of
living, just like the USA and Japan, and western Europe.
US govt too is fighting this
> 'downsizing' trend.
As part of you obvious exclusively anti-US sentiment, it is clear that
you never or almost never mention Japan and Europe which is "fighting
this 'downsizing' " trend, too.
> The Iraq war is a last ditch attempt to grab onto
> something of value. Vast resources are invested in the US military
> and if there is no 'return on investment' it is a huge loss. Hence
> the reason US starts these wars in the first place.
You are so fixated on anti-US rhetoric that you can't put into
perspective the facts that expansionist behavior (meaning ROI and
wars) are well do***ented in history books covering everything going
back 4,000 years. You must surely be an Indian who, like 99% of all
the Indians who post here, concentrates on only what the USA is and
does, and where India would like to be, and it never occurs to you
that Hitler was a bad guy in 1930s-early 40s, Napoleon was a bad guy
some 100+ years earlier. Europe had tons of wars by all manner of
little, evil despots going back 500 years or more, and right now I am
reading a lot about England around 1200 AD where wars between kings in
England and western France were continuous and were a normal state of
society. Then, I could waste my time mentioning Stalin to you, Ghengis
Khan, and even some ancient Indian bad guys who made a lot of trouble,
death, mutilation, and torture of other Indians back 2000 years ago
even before Islam.
You'd better get busy with your homework.
> This coming recession will mark a ****ft in the global balance of
> power. By the end of it, US will emerge weaker and the world will
> move towards mutli-polarity or multiple centers of power. Its
> curtains down on what was the American century.
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