Re: Solution to the energy shortage?

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Dutch" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:37:32 GMT, "Dutch" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:43:23 GMT, "Dutch" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>"Ben Goren" <ben@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Much exists  that is not objectively  verifiable. Good
character
>>>>>>>> > exists, interest  in certain topics, affection,  sense of
humor,
>>>>>>>> > compassion, courage, just to name a few.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you'll  find that, once you provide  cogent definitions
of
>>>>>>>> those terms, every  one of them will be  objectively verifiable
--
>>>>>>>> in theory, at least, and, for the most part, in practice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tough job.
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>>>>>>>If I define god as that force which energizes living things, I can 
>>>>>>>verify
>>>>>>>it's existence.
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>>>>>> That would be dishonest.
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>>>>>Why is that?
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>>>> Duh. Because there are better words which don't carry the baggage
>>>> implicit in calling it "God".
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>>>> You can define your aunt as a streetcar if you like, but it doesn't
>>>> make her one.
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>>> Dutch is big on making up definitions to suit himself.
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>> I'd like to take credit for that one but it's been around in Eastern 
>> spiritualism for a few thousand years, and aboriginal religion as well.
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> No, 'God' mostly was "whatever the hell we don't understand at the
moment"

That's one also, and "that Big Dude who will smack you down if you don't
pay 
homage to the church".

But going beyond organized religion, going beyond atheism and
anti-religion, 
beyond all the duality, there is something real and worthwhile that in my 
opinon was the real message of people like Buddha and Jesus and others. It

defies description but it has to do with tapping into the raw power of
life 
itself.