Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .

On May 3, 8:31=A0pm, The Ghost In The Machine
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> In sci.econ, The Trucker
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> on Sat, 03 May 2008 15:09:44 -0700
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> > On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:17:22 -0700, HarryNadds wrote:
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> >> On May 3, 10:52=A0am, The Trucker <mik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
> >>> > The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover
the
> >>> > increase in federal fuel taxes.
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> >>> > The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
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> >>> That is correct. =A0Revenue neutrality is the key to this. =A0The
incr=
ease or
> >>> decrease in overall taxation is a different matter.
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> >>> > Anyone who ****fts away from driving or at least from driving low
mpg=

> >>> > vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
> >>> > needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be
able=

> >>> > to afford it.
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> >>> That is true in the most cases. =A0But a person that actually drives
a=
 truck
> >>> (long haul) for a living is going to lose no matter what. =A0There
are=
 more
> >>> fuel efficient ways to deliver freight over long distances and the
peo=
ple
> >>> who ****p the commodities will be discovering these methods. =A0That
is=

> >>> economic reality and there is nothing that should be done about it
but=

> >>> perhaps to increase the progressive nature of the tax system and
> >>> redistribute benefits at the bottom where people are being put our
of =
work
> >>> due to the increasing efficiencies. =A0-- Share the pain -- =A0This
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 not the
> >>> fault of the drivers and many of these efficiency improvements
should =
have
> >>> already been done. The Bush solution is to use Mexican nationals as
> >>> drivers and pay them half of what is being paid to American
nationals.=

> >>> That allows more to be spent on fuel (money in the pocket of Bush
and =
his
> >>> pals) due to the savings in wages. =A0More "profit" and less wages.
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=A0How
> >>> very Republican.
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> >>> --
> >>> "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> >>> of society but the people themselves; and
> >>> if we think them not enlightened enough to
> >>> exercise their control with a wholesome
> >>> discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> >>> them, but to inform their discretion by
> >>> education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend
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> >> What "more efficient" ways are you referring to? Rail? ****p? Carrier
> >> pidgeon?
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> > Mostly rail. =A0But actual the substitute is irrelevant. =A0The
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> > demands a more efficient means of delivery.
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> >> You think long haul trucks are part of the problem??
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> > Of course they are. =A0It is much less fuel intensive to put the stuff
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> > the rail.
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> >> You
> >> willing to put thousands of truck drivers out of a job??
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> > No. =A0Most truckers will be quite busy on shorter runs between the
> > rail-yard and the manufacturer and the regional warehouse or Wall-Mart
> > style retail center. =A0The long haulers will be short haulers. They
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l go
> > home at night as opposed to sleeping in a truck. =A0They will have
wives=
 and
> > kids like normal people. It will just be different.
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> I highly doubt that. =A0If X number of truckers are doing
> long-haul 12-hour runs (give or take), and the rail
> replaces these runs with, say, short-haul 30-minute runs, the
> arithmetic suggests that we'd only need X/24 the number
> of truckers, all other things being the same, since each
> trucker could theoretically make 24 runs in the same time
> he made 1 before the switchover.
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> In practice, there's issues such as breaks involved, but
> I certainly don't see *more* employment for drivers here.
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You missed the point. The point for a liberal kook is nationalizing
rail,or trucking, or the oil industry or manufacturing cars, planes,
****ps, houses etc. It's what the left always wants. They just won't
come out and tell you unless you dig it out of them.