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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .

by BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM

> > > > > > The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover
=
the
> > > > > > increase in federal fuel taxes.
> > > > > > The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
> > > > > > Anyone who ****fts away from driving or at least from driving
low=
 mpg
> > > > > > vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who
really=

> > > > > > needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still
be =
able
> > > > > > to afford it.
> > > > > Using taxes to make people do what you want is a very slippery
slo=
pe.
>
> > > > Which is what? =EF=BF=BDForking over less money to despotic
nations =
for oil?
>
> > > > Bret Cahill
>
> > > Exactly. You have decided
>
> > I'm not in charge of fiscal policy. =C2=A0The _people_ will have
decided=
..
>
> a people's tax.

If you don't like the people changing fiscal policy the proper remedy
is to amend the Constitution so that only Republicons can change it.

=2E . .

> > If you want to continue handing billions over to oil rich despotims
> > then you need to persuade voters.
>
> > . . . .
>
> > > So what comes next?
>
> > Anything that falls under Art. I Sec. 8.
>
> > Next question?

?  ?  ?


Bret Cahill
 




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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 08:11:40 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 08:52:07 
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"Steven L." <  2008-05-03 23:59:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 22:11:45 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-13 12:53:25 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 13:30:02 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-13 19:40:51 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 19:06:56 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-13 23:03:41 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 20:12:13 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:36:51 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 23:02:47 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-16 12:42:58 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-16 17:34:53 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-17 14:38:25 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-17 16:50:58 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-18 00:06:09 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-14 19:20:34 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-15 11:25:49 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-15 10:24:30 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-15 21:46:05 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-05-15 22:46:43 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-15 21:46:07 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 23:15:13 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:38:49 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:34:47 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 22:57:01 
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HarryNadds <hoofhearte  2008-05-03 12:15:34 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 15:00:53 
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"Steven L." <  2008-05-04 00:01:13 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 22:12:36 
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HarryNadds <hoofhearte  2008-05-03 12:17:22 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 15:09:44 
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The Ghost In The Machine   2008-05-03 18:31:00 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 20:53:46 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-03 17:40:44 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 19:44:20 
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"daestrom" <  2008-05-04 14:05:40 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 12:12:20 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 17:38:05 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-04 22:39:27 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 13:11:28 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-05 14:53:57 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 22:14:57 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-06 23:10:17 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 13:41:05 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 19:47:35 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 21:01:26 
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ZerkonX <Z@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 14:03:03 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:31:26 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:34:00 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:40:45 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:53:38 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 08:12:02 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 08:29:43 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 09:16:36 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 10:45:00 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 09:37:54 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 09:57:01 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 10:10:47 
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The Ghost In The Machine   2008-05-04 12:02:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 12:59:40 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 10:17:32 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 10:33:30 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 11:06:52 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 12:46:27 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 12:48:12 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:02:01 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:05:34 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-04 18:55:29 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 13:43:48 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:08:41 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:10:27 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 13:10:44 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:18:16 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:27:15 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:32:04 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:33:00 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:34:38 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:40:32 
Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 14:00:40 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:41:24 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 22:56:20 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:46:42 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:49:55 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:52:43 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:54:53 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:57:53 
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Eat the rich <goofindo  2008-05-04 16:21:46 
Re: Republican pig prancing
BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:21:57 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 21:45:06 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:23:57 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:26:11 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:28:52 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 18:59:19 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 19:01:44 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 20:39:13 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-05 00:13:54 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 04:16:49 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 06:22:47 
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"Jerry Okamura"  2008-05-08 10:58:54 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-08 18:05:18 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-09 00:45:58 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-09 07:32:01 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 08:28:54 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 18:44:37 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 08:32:47 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 18:49:02 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-05 13:03:20 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 19:21:49 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-05 22:08:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 20:22:03 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 22:09:27 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 00:16:01 
Re: Republican pig prancing
Michael Scheltgen <mik  2008-05-06 09:34:23 
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Michael Scheltgen <mik  2008-05-06 09:38:27 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 12:40:31 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 04:29:58 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 12:53:43 
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ZerkonX <Z@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-06 12:37:56 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 06:44:55 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 06:46:29 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 08:10:04 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 16:30:36 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-06 21:31:52 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 22:37:14 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 21:23:16 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:06:28 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:11:21 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:54:43 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 20:48:43 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 22:48:27 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 22:41:43 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 01:13:34 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 16:39:08 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 15:12:01 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 21:24:00 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:15:02 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:55:49 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 23:00:13 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 01:17:14 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 23:10:41 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 15:02:22 
Only Rebates + Fuel Tax Will Avert Humanitarian Disaster
BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-07 13:06:52 
Re: Only Rebates + Fuel Tax Will Avert Humanitarian Disaster
Patriot Games <Patriot  2008-05-07 17:48:34 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-07 13:48:34 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 18:09:47 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 17:06:56 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:45:18 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:56:29 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:47:33 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:55:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:08:40 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:52:10 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:57:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-08 07:40:41 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:11:46 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:20:27 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:21:37 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:24:19 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:59:01 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:13:06 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-08 08:30:02 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:12:20 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-08 08:34:45 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 10:34:37 
Re: Republican pig prancing
"Jerry Okamura"  2008-05-10 09:07:30 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 13:07:10 
Re: Republican pig prancing
"Jerry Okamura"  2008-05-10 14:42:10 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 21:45:32 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 12:26:25 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 12:14:50 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 13:08:44 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 12:48:58 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 16:49:15 
Re: Republican pig prancing
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-11 12:31:10 

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