On Fri, 09 May 2008 13:30:25 -0700, Stray Dog wrote:
> On May 9, 2:54 pm, The Trucker <mik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:00:56 -0400, T.Keating wrote:
>> > A little wisdom from the past..
>> > This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
>> > composed/posted back in April 2001...
>
> deleted Tim Keating's material since it can be found in another post.
>
>> > This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
>> > and a Republican Congress.
>>
>> I really get sick of the Clinton ba****ng. The blame for most of the
stuff
>> you correctly see as a problem is squarely on the Republican Congress.
>
> My view is that most people are picking their favorite political party
> for either blame (or credit) when the underlaying problem is the
> influence that Big Business has with the politicians, no matter which
> ones are in office.
We really have no disagreement. Big Business and the Republican party have
had a love fest from at least the beginning of the 20th century. While
the Democrats may well be corrupt as well, at least they aren't PROUD of
it. K-Street was not a Democratic operation.
> It
>> is and was the constant "government is bad" and "free markets solve all
>> problems" from every bull horn in America that created the Republican
>> Congress and left Clinton in a very politically weak position.
>
> I just want to tell everyone that I just finished reading William
> Greider's book "One World, Ready or Not--The Manic Logic of Global
> Capitalism" and I would have to say that it is so far the best anti-
> globalism book I have read so far. Very well researched, lots of
> references, and reasonable.
I read his "Secrets of the Temple" and it was very good. I still have 2
copies of the 8 in which I "invested". I gave them to those who I thought
deserving and able to benefit. I think he also wrote something called
"The Great Deflation". Such deflation was postponed as Bush destroyed the
dollar. We will see if it can be further postponed.
> Everyone needs to understand how lobbying, PR, advertising, campaign
> contributions, caucuses cause all of our politicians to _speak_ as
> much platitudes that are whatever the constituents want to hear to get
> the votes and then _act_ in ways to dilute any law formation, stall on
> passage, or otherwise let loopholes form (and even if loopholes are
> not formed, then management consultants, lawyer groups, and accounting
> firms will step forward to provide schemes, scams, and frauds of all
> manner to benefit the overlings),
But most already do understand that. The part that is not actually
understood is _WHY_ it is like that and what we can do about it while
actually living up to the American Constitution. Succinctly, we need a
closer relation****p between the people and their supposed representatives:
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
Suggests a goal of returning to the
Constitutional Republic America was defined to be in order to put more
control in the hands of the people.
> One book I read some ten years ago was "Confessions of a Union Buster"
> by Martin Jay Levitt. Here was a guy, paid by management, whose job it
> was to screw employees every way possible and after a couple of
> decades the guy saw the light and wrote his expose'.
>
> Until we get the influence of Big Business out of the politicians
> offices, you're going to _hear_ one thing and _feel_ something else.
It does no good to read such books. We already know what is in them. It
is like causing pain to yourself. Who needs it. Lets do something about
it instead of just reha****ng it over and over again.
> He could
>> "go with the flow" or just let the Republicans have a clear shot at the
>> White House in 2000. He tried, but he didn't make it. The Pukes took
>> over the entire world in 2001. There is no way that you will ever
>> convince me that a more "left" lean by Clinton would have stopped
>> Pinocchio Bush in 2000. As it was he actually won, as we know. The
>> Supremes crowned Bush Emperor in 2000, but Clinton tried. Al Gore tried
to
>> go left and the world was lost.
>
> I'm sorry but I don't think there is a really honest political party
> out there. Here and there, maybe a better one than another, but you
> have to write up your own list of characteristics and hope for the
> best.
I would actually agree. But the Republican party is the locked step party
and the Democratic party as it was and can be is not that at all. "I am
not a member of any organized political party", Said Will Rogers. "I'm a
Democrat".
>> > Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
>> > things much worse. Invaded Iraq,
>
> All on a lie: WMD in Iraq and my proof of the impotence of the present
> system is that Bush should have been impeached for the lie, and there
> is barely a whisper about impeachement and yet look at the uproar that
> happened over Clinton with Lewinsky. Yes, Bill was naughty but that
> was infinitesimal compared to Iraq which is egg on our face in terms
> of the rest of the world.
Democrats are not a lock step party. Most Democrats voted against the
resolution to allow Pinocchio Bush to do whatever he wanted. But you are
right on this one. Bush should have been impeached early last year when
he vetoed the funding bill.
Those who are to conduct a war cannot in the nature of things be proper
or safe judges, whether a war ought to be commenced, continued, or
concluded. They are barred from the latter functions by a great principle
in government, analogous to that which separates the sword from the
purse, or the power of executing from the power of enacting laws.
Helvidius No. 1,24 Aug. 1793 -- PJM 15:71 (Madison)
> signed several bills authorizing
>> > additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
>> > administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
>> > by another 400,000.
>
> And, its all primarily done to cut costs of labor, nothing else. The
> rich get richer, the poor poorer.
Republicans.
>> The Republicans have always sought a caste society where the
aristocracy
>> dictates the morality by ruling with an iron economic fist. Your
position
>> in the society is based on your loyalty to the privileged caste.
>
> Which is pro****tional to how much money you have. If you are Warren
> Buffett, you are a saint. If you are broke, then its your fault only.
Republicans believe that God decides who will be rich and they should
therefore lead the society in all things.
> The
>> destruction of the US dollar is part of the destruction of economic
man.
>> When there is no money then there is no way to keep score. The winners
>> are whoever the Republicans care to anoint. The Republicans create
money
>> as they need it. They don't need no stinkin taxes.
>
> You need to look at David Cay Johnston's book "Perfectly Legal" to see
> how rich people dodge taxes and save $billions by all manner of
> techniques not available to the rest of us. Yes, I read the book,
> cover to cover.
I did. I got about 1/3 of the way before I lost interest. Stuff like
that is just boring, boring, boring.
> I've been reading history books for the last 7-8 years and quite
> frankly sometimes I think, besides our material standard of living
> today, there were a few kings and emperors in the past who actually
> did something good for the people. On the other hand, I have yet to
> read very much about any (repeat: any) rich people doing much for
> anyone except themselves.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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