On May 16, 8:14 pm, orangata...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 16 May, 00:28, Vide...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 15, 6:12 pm, Les Cargill <lcarg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > Vide...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 15, 1:09 am, orangata...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > <snip>
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> > > > machavillion freedom. freedom to do what, to whom, for what? you
are
> > > > a indoctrinated fool.
>
> > > You've shown repeatedly that you don't understand either of
> > > Machiavelli nor Friedman.
>
> > sure i do. its you that is the chanter. so, if freidman says all
> > information is perfect, markets are perfect, and all persons involved
>
> this is just rubbish. information does not have to be perfect for
> trade to be free.
of course its rubbish. thank you. then if you are dealing with a
cheat and a liar, you are free to be fleeced, or is there a way to get
recourse once you discover you have been cheated?
all that is required is for someone to want to sell
> something and someone else to want to buy it. perfect information is
> not necessary.
>
of course that is what is really meant by free markets, free to be
fleeced, lied to, and cheated.
> > in a transaction are rational, and have correct, perfect information.
> > that is a straight shooter, who does not practice double speak. or, he
> > was a idiot, possibly insane not to understand his fellow human being,
> > and completely ignorant of history. which was he?
> > all fascism is, is libertarianism in decay.
>
> wrong. fascism requires a strong central government. libertarians want
> the state to be a small as possible.
ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everywhere
libertarianism is even partially tried, unemployment sky rockets,
indebtedness soars, the wealth gap explodes, economic debacles are
everywhere. and at the same time jails bulge with the losers, and a
police state rises. see thatchers u.k., pinochets chile, the u.s.a.
the last 30 years. on top of that, the free market, self reliant, self
responsible, rugged individual, born with a silver spoon in their
mouths as they pull themselves up by their own bootstraps with tax
payer dollars warriors come with their hands out for a bailout every
time. see 1929, 1987, 1998 or9, 2001, 2007-08, and counting.
it is socialists, like you, who
> want a strong government.
you mean the founding fathers, and the amendments that were made to
the constitution in the early years of america. the amendments were
made close to the period of the founding of this country. libertarians
are handmaidens to the fascists. fascism is simply libertarians in
decay.
in fact it is socialism that requires a
> strong state.
you do not even understand what you are talking about.
what is the definition of a crank? one who gives out advise that
makes no sense at all.
what is the definition of a crank? one who accepts, or embraces
advise that makes no sense at all.
a small state is not capable of taking a large fraction
> of everone's income by force (this is called 'tax').
>
yep, its working in somalia.
> every regulation imposed by government restricts freedom.
fredom to steal you mean.
clearly some
> regulations are necessary,
then its not a free market.
but libertarians want as few restrictions
> on their personal freedom as possible.
our jails and mental institutions are full of people who will agree
with you.
this includes being free to
> earn their own money and spend their own money.
its not your money. its the governments money. you get to use it on
their conditions.
socialists (like you)
> want the state to forcably take other people's money and spend it.
> thus transfering power from the individual to the state.
definition of a cult:Confusing Doctrine Encouraging blind acceptance
and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible
doctrine, Chanting and Singing Eliminating non-cult ideas through
group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases
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