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Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons

by Les Cargill <lcargill@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 17, 2008 at 02:30 AM

The Trucker wrote:
> In a tread entitled "BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . ."
> Day Brown <daybrown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> ******************
> Now, in this case, I dont blame the oil outfits for not looking for new 
> sources of alternative energy. They know how to make money off oil, and 
> are not keen on some new technology to compete with it. Very well. Tax 
> the bastards to motivate them. Profits are positive re-inforcement, 
> taxes are negative re-inforcement. They both work.
> **********************
> 
> The Taxation of oil company profits is in fact a tax on rent that will
not
> be passed to consumers.  If the oil companies could get higher prices
they
> would already be doing it.

They haven't. Why did oil prices drop so precipitously after 1983? Oil
companies themselves are largely gutted. They went from Silly Putty to 
Enron.

> And so long as the proceeds of the tax are
> disbursed to the general public it won't make any difference anyway.

Right. Once it's disbursed to everybody, it effectively
disappears.

> So a
> 100% surtax on oil company profits in excess of X simply redistributed
as
> a quarterly "stimulus" in the same form as the present "stimulus" will
do
> very nicely.

You were doing pretty well up to that point. Best I can tell. Once it 
becomes expected, it's background and it doesn't influence behavior
much anymore.

  As oil prices increase driving profits above X then the oil
> companies get the wrench. That is some serious motivation to help in the
> effort to reduce the prices.
> 

We've had twenty five years of reduced prices, at very high cost.

> As the definition of X can become quite complicated, it is better to
> simply apply a lower tax rate to the entire profit. Say 50% so long as
> oil prices remain above $80 per barrel.
> 
> 

I have no doubt but what this will happen, and I can only consle myself 
with the knowlege that I won't live long enough to see the end result.

*If* you can capture rent towards replacing oil, then it makes sense.
Only if. Anything else is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

--
Les Cargill




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Motivation for the Oil Barons
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-16 20:48:21 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-17 02:30:44 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-17 11:00:03 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-18 01:54:06 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-06-03 23:31:31 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-06-04 22:36:18 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-06-05 00:42:53 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-06-05 20:38:34 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
HarryNadds <hoofhearte  2008-05-17 10:19:56 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-17 11:02:43 
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Knuckledragginhick <Bu  2008-05-17 12:29:43 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-17 18:48:38 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-07 05:04:29 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-07 09:18:51 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-06 18:24:56 
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DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-06 20:26:31 
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DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-06 20:28:00 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-07 08:10:11 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-04 11:41:03 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-04 13:24:35 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-07 14:06:05 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-06-05 00:50:08 
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tg <tgdenning@[EMAIL P  2008-06-07 09:25:39 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-07 14:22:32 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-04 14:39:20 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-04 15:31:07 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-04 23:18:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-05 07:55:54 
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DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-05 09:11:42 
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lorad474@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-05 09:55:04 
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lorad474@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-05 09:57:12 
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lorad474@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-05 10:00:32 
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Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 10:56:10 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
"Tim" <qwer@  2008-06-05 18:32:56 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-05 15:35:48 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 10:59:05 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-05 16:35:04 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-06-05 21:10:04 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 11:01:26 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-05 11:54:11 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-06-05 20:40:47 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-05 17:46:09 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-06-05 15:25:10 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
zzbunker <zzbunker@[EM  2008-06-05 13:25:42 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 15:09:01 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-05 16:46:10 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 20:44:26 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
DB <abc@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-06 08:32:15 
Re: Motivation for the Oil Barons
Fred Weiss <fredweiss@  2008-06-05 21:06:13 

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