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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .

by Day Brown <daybrown@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 18, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Harold Burton wrote:
> In article <UzGXj.22154$CE1.3535@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>  Day Brown <daybrown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>> Harold Burton wrote:
>>>>>> You obviously have no clue what ... the progressive
>>>>>> income tax is designed to do.
>>>>> Preserve wealth for the already wealthy, but make it much more
difficult 
>>>>> for everyone else to achieve wealth.  i.e. don't let upstarts get
new 
>>>>> money and displace the old farts, who are no longer competitive.
>>>
>>>> In an honest system, you are correct. But that aint what we have. The

>>>> rich use some of their money to buy political policy favoring them,
and 
>>>> making fair market forces ineffective.
>>>
>>> That's why I said "Preserve wealth for the already wealthy..."
>> I see. So when Hillary made 100 grand on the commodities market over 
>> nite, and who knows how many millions off Whitewater, that's OK now
that 
>> she has many more millions?
> 
> 
> It's how the system works.
For a while. My hillbilly friends tell me we are at that awkward time 
when it is too late for them to fix things, but still too early to drag 
the bastards out to be shot.

progressive taxation would buy a little more time to look for solutions.
 




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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 08:11:40 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 08:52:07 
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"Steven L." <  2008-05-03 23:59:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 22:11:45 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-13 12:53:25 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 13:30:02 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-13 19:40:51 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 19:06:56 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-13 23:03:41 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-13 20:12:13 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:36:51 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 23:02:47 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-16 12:42:58 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-16 17:34:53 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-17 14:38:25 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-17 16:50:58 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-18 00:06:09 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-14 19:20:34 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-15 11:25:49 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-15 10:24:30 
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ItWasAnInsideJob <ItWa  2008-05-15 21:46:05 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-05-15 22:46:43 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-15 21:46:07 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 23:15:13 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:38:49 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-15 18:34:47 
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Dan Bloomquist <public  2008-05-15 22:57:01 
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HarryNadds <hoofhearte  2008-05-03 12:15:34 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 15:00:53 
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"Steven L." <  2008-05-04 00:01:13 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 22:12:36 
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HarryNadds <hoofhearte  2008-05-03 12:17:22 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 15:09:44 
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The Ghost In The Machine   2008-05-03 18:31:00 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 20:53:46 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-03 17:40:44 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 19:44:20 
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"daestrom" <  2008-05-04 14:05:40 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 12:12:20 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 17:38:05 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-04 22:39:27 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 13:11:28 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-05 14:53:57 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 22:14:57 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-06 23:10:17 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 13:41:05 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 19:47:35 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-03 21:01:26 
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ZerkonX <Z@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 14:03:03 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:31:26 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:34:00 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 07:40:45 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 08:29:43 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 09:16:36 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 10:45:00 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 09:37:54 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 09:57:01 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 10:10:47 
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The Ghost In The Machine   2008-05-04 12:02:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 12:59:40 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 10:17:32 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 10:33:30 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 11:06:52 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 12:46:27 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 12:48:12 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:02:01 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:05:34 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-04 18:55:29 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-05 13:43:48 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:08:41 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 13:10:27 
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orangatang1@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 13:10:44 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:18:16 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:27:15 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:32:04 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:33:00 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:34:38 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:40:32 
Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 14:00:40 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:41:24 
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Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-05-04 22:56:20 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:46:42 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:49:55 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:52:43 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 13:57:53 
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Eat the rich <goofindo  2008-05-04 16:21:46 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:21:57 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-04 21:45:06 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:23:57 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:26:11 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 17:28:52 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 18:59:19 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 19:01:44 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-04 20:39:13 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-05 00:13:54 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 04:16:49 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 06:22:47 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 08:28:54 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 18:44:37 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 18:49:02 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-05 13:03:20 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 19:21:49 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-05 22:08:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-05 20:22:03 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-05 22:09:27 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 00:16:01 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 12:40:31 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 04:29:58 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 12:53:43 
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ZerkonX <Z@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-06 12:37:56 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 06:44:55 
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BurtonUrny@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 06:46:29 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 08:10:04 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-06 16:30:36 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-06 21:31:52 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 22:37:14 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 21:23:16 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:06:28 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:11:21 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:54:43 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 20:48:43 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-06 22:48:27 
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ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 22:41:43 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 01:13:34 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 16:39:08 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 15:12:01 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 21:24:00 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:15:02 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:55:49 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 23:00:13 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 01:17:14 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-06 23:10:41 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 15:02:22 
Only Rebates + Fuel Tax Will Avert Humanitarian Disaster
BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-07 13:06:52 
Re: Only Rebates + Fuel Tax Will Avert Humanitarian Disaster
Patriot Games <Patriot  2008-05-07 17:48:34 
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BretCahill@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-07 13:48:34 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 18:09:47 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 17:06:56 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:45:18 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:56:29 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:47:33 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:55:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-07 20:08:40 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 19:52:10 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-07 22:57:31 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-08 07:40:41 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:11:46 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:20:27 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:21:37 
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Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-07 20:24:19 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-08 21:59:01 
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Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:13:06 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-08 08:30:02 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-08 22:12:20 
Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .
Bret Cahill <BretCahil  2008-05-08 08:34:45 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 10:34:37 
Re: Republican pig prancing
"Jerry Okamura"  2008-05-10 09:07:30 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 13:07:10 
Re: Republican pig prancing
"Jerry Okamura"  2008-05-10 14:42:10 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 21:45:32 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 12:26:25 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 12:14:50 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 13:08:44 
Re: Republican pig prancing
ayatollah obama <osama  2008-05-10 12:48:58 
Re: Republican pig prancing
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-10 16:49:15 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-05-11 12:31:10 

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